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* ATTD News Letter number 36 * Sunday, August 01, 2004 *
Table of contents.
Q & A.Question: A "funny" question tortures me since a few days: WHO CREATES ALL THE THOUGHTS, WHICH ARE ARISING??? Where do they come from? If there is no I (and indeed "I" cannot find it when I look) and life just "happens", if there is no time and no space, how then do things develop? (It is a little bit difficult to me to explain what I mean in english language). If there is no beginning and no end, because all that is is THIS, who or what is creating this? Or is it self-creating? I hope you can understand what I mean.....
My mind is like an endless CD! Questions after questions after questions - and if I tell myself: this is only mind-play, it yet doesn't satisfy me.....what would I give for UNDERSTANDING!
Answer: All that has to be given for understanding is the belief that understanding is done by a someone. In other words what has to be given (or given up) is the 'I' that believes that it is doing the understanding. Take the following line for example; 'I want understanding' and see what remains when the 'I' and the 'want' are dropped from this sentence.
To help the mind recognize its own limitations, here are some more words. All questions and all answers are mind and they will not directly reveal THAT which is prior to the mind. Indirectly each and every thought testifies to the Presence that exists prior to the mind. THAT which expresses via - and appears AS - the mind. Compare the mind to the light from a lamp, and compare THAT which is prior to the mind to electricity. The electricity express AS the light, but remains itself invisible. It is there prior to its expression as light and it remains - unmanifest - when the lamp is switched of. This 'Priorness' is the Unborn, Self Arising Mystery of Being. The mind uses words like 'prior to the mind' but it can never go there. It can use the words 'unborn, formless and eternal' but what they point at remains a mystery to the mind. Just try to imagine something that exist prior to the mind; is this not again mind? Try to imagine the formless, can there be any idea to describe it?
You ask how things can develop if there is no time and space. Let's go back to the metaphor of the dream. A dream does not have any weight, substance or dimension, yet within the dream, one can experience substance, as well as the dimensions of space and time. In the same way Awareness -or THAT in which everything appears- has no substance or dimension. Within the 'dream of manifestation' substance, time and space are present and seem to be real; as real as a starry sky in your dreams.
You also also ask "Who created thought" but we do not have to see thought as created by a separate creator. Instead, it can be seen as one of the ways the Unborn appears to ItSelf. In essence thought and the source of thought are one and the same, just as the form of a statue and the stone it is crafted from. The statue is not created by the stone, but an 'appearance' of the stone. When we see thoughts as created, we may conclude that there must be a separate creator/thinker or God. The mind will then come with the next question; 'OK, God created thought, but who created God?' The mystery we call 'God' or 'Source' is the Uncaused First Cause. This is not something the mind can grasp. An intuitive leap may reveal that the Source of all, including thought, is the Timeless One. There cannot be anything before the Timeless Source, as all before and after are again of the time dimension.
Thoughts are of the mind and our language talks about the mind as if it were a thing. However mind is not a thing; it is the thinking process itself. Intuition may show that something had to be present before the words that make up thoughts could be acquired. It may also be recognized that the mind-stream appears TO something. Something (although it is not a 'some-thing' but rather a 'no-thing') which already IS before IT expresses via the mind as the words 'I AM.' IT is That What IS; the Original Face, peaking out of no-thing-ness. This intuitive leap may produce an 'AHA'... or laughter perhaps ....
The Q&A in news letter 19 may be relevant to this question.
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Seeing it SimplyThe psychological 'I-concept' has no nature of its own, is no 'thing', and could not possibly create genuine 'bondage'. There cannot be any such thing as bondage at all, but only the idea of such. There is no liberation, for there is no thing from which to be freed. If the whole conceptual structure is seen as what it is, it must necessarily collapse, and the bondage-enlightenment nonsense with it. That is called Awakening, awakening to the natural state which is that of every sentient being.
Sri Ramana Maharshi taught just that when he said that 'enlightenment' is only being rid of the notion that one is not 'enlightened', and Maharshi might have been quoting the T'ang dynasty Chinese sage Hui Hai, known as the Great Pearl, when he stated that Liberation is liberation from the notion of 'liberation'.
He might also have been quoting Huang Po (d.850), of whom he is unlikely ever to have heard, when they both used the same words, full of humour, to someone asking about 'his' mind: each sage asked in reply, 'How many minds have you?'
Words from: 'Wei Wu Wei'
Found at the Wei Wu Wei Archives: http://www.weiwuwei.8k.com/
Found at the Wei Wu Wei Archives: http://www.weiwuwei.8k.com/
If my words did glow with the gold of sunshine
And my tunes were played on the harp unstrung
Would you hear my voice come through the music
Would you hold it near as it were your own?
It's a hand-me-down, the thoughts are broken
Perhaps they're better left unsung
I don't know, don't really care
Let there be songs to fill the air
Ripple in still water
When there is no pebble tossed
Nor wind to blow
Reach out your hand if your cup be empty
If your cup is full may it be again
Let it be known there is a fountain
That was not made by the hands of men
There is a road, no simple highway
Between the dawn and the dark of night
And if you go no one may follow
That path is for your steps alone
You who choose to lead must follow
But if you fall you fall alone
If you should stand then who's to guide you?
If I knew the way I would take you home
From: the album "American Beauty" "
By: The Grateful Dead
By: The Grateful Dead
Quote of the moment!
"The scriptures even proclaim aloud: "There is in truth no creation and no destruction; no one is bound, no one is seeking Liberation, no one is on the way to Deliverance. There are none liberated. This is the absolute truth." My dear disciple, this, the sum and substance of all the Upanishads, the secret of secrets, is my instruction to you."
From: "Teachings of the Hindu Mystics" - Shankaracharya.
Edited by Andrew Harvey. ISBN 1-57602-449-6 (pbk)
Smile of the moment!
The enlightened answering machine
Nisargadatta Maharaj -
"Hi! This is Maharaj. I am not home right now. But in reality, I have never left. I have been here before you called and will be here after you hang up."
Ramesh Balsekar -
"Hello! This body-mind organism known as Ramesh is not available right now. Looks like that is your destiny. If it is God's will, your call will be answered."
"Hello! This is Gurdjieff............STOP!"
"My dear! I don't know who is calling. But if I were you, I would ask myself - Who am I? When you will find the answer, you won't need to call me again."
Zen Master -
"Sitting silently, doing nothing Phone rings, and answering machine starts by itself."
Gautam the Buddha -
"Life is suffering. To call someone is a suffering. When the person is not there, there's more suffering. You leave a message, he doesn't reply answer your call so there's even more suffering. Remember! Life is suffering."
(a disciple of Osho who generally says that there is no need to do anything. Enlightenment will happen by itself.) -
"Hello! This is Kiranbhai. I am not home right now. But there is no need to call again, there's no need to leave a message and so there's no need to for me to call you back also. In fact, if you want to try, there's no need to pay your phone bill also. Thank you for calling!"
Finally I dialed:
but by mistake the line went to Lord Krishna's residence (the usual phenomenon in India). As we all know Krishna's famous quote was -
"Whatever happened, happened for good. Whatever is happening, is happening for good and whatever will happen will happen for good. What have you lost that you are crying for? Whatever you have gained, you have gained here. Whatever you have lost, you have lost here. What belongs to you today, belonged to someone else yesterday and will belong to someone else tomorrow. CHANGE is the eternal rule of life. So don't focus on the result but do your karma."
(his answering machine detects wrong numbers automatically.)
"My beloved! Although I am omnipresent, I am not available right now. And by the way, you have dialed a wrong number. But no problem. Whatever happened, happened for good. Whatever is happening, is happening for good and whatever will happen will happen for good. Why are you crying since you lost only one rupee. Whatever number you dialed, you dialed it right here. The number which is my today belonged to someone else yesterday and will be someone else's number tomorrow. CHANGE in the telephone numbers is the eternal rule of Indian telephone exchange. So don't worry about the result and just do your karma. Dial the right number."
" Hello! This is Osho.....Never born, never died. Never picked up a phone. Only kept his answering machine ON. I leave you my dream.....and you leave your message after the beep. Yahoo!"
Sent to me by Nyati from: http://www.leela.co.za/
She found it at: http://www.otoons.com/eso/enlightenment_answering_machine.htm
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